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Betreff des Beitrags: Verfasst: 23.10.2004 19:54 |
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It sounds as though his days are numbered in Hannover. Could it be that they will sell his contract during the Winter break? That would really be too bad as I thought he brought some real offensive excitment to the team.
Clint has also been known to be a difficult player to coach during his career in America.
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Betreff des Beitrags: Verfasst: 23.10.2004 20:21 |
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Registriert: 28.04.2003 21:35 Beiträge: 2646 Wohnort: Hannover (ehemals Athol, MA; Amsterdam; Praha; Kraków und Göttingen)
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I guess we can just wait, but if he really wants to move on in winter (possibly out of Germany) and he isn't part of Lienen's planing I am sure that they won't 'put stones in his way' as that would be good to save money... :-(
but again, don't let all hope go! :)
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Betreff des Beitrags: Why is the coach a moron? Verfasst: 24.10.2004 03:07 |
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Squig hat geschrieben: I guess we can just wait, but if he really wants to move on in winter (possibly out of Germany) and he isn't part of Lienen's planing I am sure that they won't 'put stones in his way' as that would be good to save money...  but again, don't let all hope go! 
Clint Mathis is a World Class player, an impact player who makes a difference as he did in the World Cup, I seriously doubt whether coach Leinen or whatever his name is a world class coach (Geeze I cant even remember his name).
As a coach myself I have come across coaxhes whose egos are bigger than their knowledge of the game or players. Well let me remind everyone that coaches dont score goals OR SELL TICKETS, star players DO. As a Yank my interest in following the Bundelsliga is greatly diminished without Clint playing. I got Satellite TV so I could watch Bundelsiga games and although Cherondolo and Casey get games I would like to see Mathis ON THE FIELD. I hope Hannover get relegated if that doesnt happen. It is easy to see why another US World Class player - Landon Donovan - didnt have any interest in playing in Germany either. The Krauts managed to screw his career up at Beyer Leverkusen before he blossomed on the World Cup stage.
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Betreff des Beitrags: Verfasst: 24.10.2004 09:20 |
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Keith, has it ever crossed your mind that maybe the players might have brought this onto themselves?
I don't know much about Donovan and Leverkusen but Mathis just hasn't been showing us anything on the field in recent months. It is not enough to demand to be playing and then not back it up. Mathis has had his chances and with one exception (1:0 against Schalke) simply didn't capitalize on them. So who is he to make demands?
Wether or not Ewald Lienen is a world class coach is up for debate, but Clint certainly hasn't shown me anything to make me believe he belongs in the team right now. But: the coach has proved on more than one occasion that he is willing to put personal conflicts behind him when a player does well in training and contributes to the teams success.
So it's simply time for Clint Mathis to put up or shut up, as they say. Personally, I hope he gets it done because he can be valuable for the team. But talking alone is just not going to cut it! 
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Betreff des Beitrags: Verfasst: 24.10.2004 18:58 |
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der rote hat geschrieben: Keith, has it ever crossed your mind that maybe the players might have brought this onto themselves? I don't know much about Donovan and Leverkusen but Mathis just hasn't been showing us anything on the field in recent months. It is not enough to demand to be playing and then not back it up. Mathis has had his chances and with one exception (1:0 against Schalke) simply didn't capitalize on them. So who is he to make demands? Wether or not Ewald Lienen is a world class coach is up for debate, but Clint certainly hasn't shown me anything to make me believe he belongs in the team right now. But: the coach has proved on more than one occasion that he is willing to put personal conflicts behind him when a player does well in training and contributes to the teams success. So it's simply time for Clint Mathis to put up or shut up, as they say. Personally, I hope he gets it done because he can be valuable for the team. But talking alone is just not going to cut it! 
Well mate, Mathis has done well if you look at minutes on the field, and Kickers scores. You have a predujiced eye in my opinion. I have coached players like Mathis who are both talented and beligerent - fortunately my ego kept them on the field and they did the business - they scored.
Mathis is also very good OFF the ball - something that most onlookers without real understanding of the game dont see. Denis Berkamp doesnt run around like a chicken with his head cut off either but reads the game and is more often than not in the right palce at the right time. Mathis is similar to Berkamp in this regard and is also Berkampesque in his passing of the ball - brilliant.
It is very distressing to see a talent like Mathis wasted like Donovan before him in a second class league with clearly a second rate coach.
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Betreff des Beitrags: Verfasst: 24.10.2004 20:16 |
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Harsh words for a first post
I think that both Mathis and Lienen are overreacting. Mathis did not play that bad and it seemed to me that both the press and Lienen were kind of sending him to the front as a victim being responsible for the Bielefeld draw. Lienen was fearing his job being unde rpressure by the Fans and the media was just looking for another scadnal... at the other hand Clint wasn't playing that great lately imo, except the one goal he made.
But, that's what he is good in, scoring goals, in the classical 10 position he's just average imo, so I think Lienen should play him as a striker, since the rest of the strikers don't do that well and the last goals made by a striker were made by our joker Stendel... I'd love to see Clint out there again, and it is a shame that such a talent is wasted to be benched... Lienen is unfortunately that kind of coach that only comes along with a two thirds of the players, wich is very bad for the last third...
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Betreff des Beitrags: Verfasst: 24.10.2004 22:49 |
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Keith hat geschrieben: Well mate, Mathis has done well if you look at minutes on the field, and Kickers scores. Well, I've seen the actual matches and I have to say that Mathis has not done well in any respect. As pretty much anyone over here will testify. Plus, if you want to drag Kicker into this, his average is 4.5 which is well below average for our team. So I am really at a loss as to what you base your opinion on. Keith hat geschrieben: You have a predujiced eye in my opinion. Not really. I do want him to do well, as it would benefit our team. But I think that you might confuse his potential with what he is actually showing us. Keith hat geschrieben: I have coached players like Mathis who are both talented and beligerent - fortunately my ego kept them on the field and they did the business - they scored. Well, Mathis did have his share of outings but most of the time he failed to live up to his potential. Which makes a lot of people wonder if he really is as good as you say he is. And how much exactly do you know about Mathis' situation over here to hint at the coachs ego being the problem? After Mathis scored the winning goal against Schalke, he was in the starting lineup for the next match. He completely failed to make an impression in that game. Keith hat geschrieben: Mathis is also very good OFF the ball - something that most onlookers without real understanding of the game dont see. Denis Berkamp doesnt run around like a chicken with his head cut off either but reads the game and is more often than not in the right palce at the right time. Mathis is similar to Berkamp in this regard and is also Berkampesque in his passing of the ball - brilliant. He might well be - but it rarely showed in the matches he had over here. He has neither scored regularly nor has he put others in a scoring position. Which is his job description as a forward. Again, I do believe that Mathis has potential but he needs to show it every once in a while to earn his spot on the team. And not to be a smartass, but the guy's name is Dennis Bergkamp, btw. Keith hat geschrieben: It is very distressing to see a talent like Mathis wasted like Donovan before him in a second class league with clearly a second rate coach.
Well, too bad then that all the first class teams from the first class leagues didn't want to sign him. Why is that, in your opinion?
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Betreff des Beitrags: Verfasst: 25.10.2004 10:15 |
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You guys, the Moderators, I'm sure a much closer to the action and what is happening within the team.
Has the situation between Mathis and the trainer become public, in that Mathis and/or the trainer are making statements in the local papers?
Or is it more that the trainer is trying to motivate and challenge Mathis to raise the level of his game?
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Betreff des Beitrags: Verfasst: 25.10.2004 13:01 |
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mal44 hat geschrieben: Has the situation between Mathis and the trainer become public, in that Mathis and/or the trainer are making statements in the local papers?
Actually, it seems that Mathis is out of the team for the time being. The coach didn't appreciate Mathis gestures and statements and when he gave him another chance despite all of that, Mathis' play seemed lackluster, to say the least.
Since the team is on a winning streak now and has pretty good chemistry, there are not a lot of mentions of Mathis in the papers.
But this need not be the end of it. Even though only we are only 9 games into the season, the coach has already rewarded several players for their good work during training and put them back on the team. All of these players were thought to be out for good. But Ewald Lienen respects and rewards a good work ethic. So this is the way for Mathis to go. Train hard, show his value for the team and the doors will once again be open.
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Betreff des Beitrags: Re: Why is the coach a moron? Verfasst: 26.10.2004 16:48 |
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Keith hat geschrieben: Clint Mathis is a World Class player, an impact player who makes a difference as he did in the World Cup, I seriously doubt whether coach Leinen or whatever his name is a world class coach (Geeze I cant even remember his name).
As a coach myself I have come across coaxhes whose egos are bigger than their knowledge of the game or players. Well let me remind everyone that coaches dont score goals OR SELL TICKETS, star players DO. As a Yank my interest in following the Bundelsliga is greatly diminished without Clint playing. I got Satellite TV so I could watch Bundelsiga games and although Cherondolo and Casey get games I would like to see Mathis ON THE FIELD. I hope Hannover get relegated if that doesnt happen. It is easy to see why another US World Class player - Landon Donovan - didnt have any interest in playing in Germany either. The Krauts managed to screw his career up at Beyer Leverkusen before he blossomed on the World Cup stage.
Actually, with your kind of attitude I couldn't care less if you are interested in the Bundesliga or not. And I don't think anyone else would, either. So what if your interest is greatly diminishing?
I thought Clint Mathis was a totally cool player when he first joined Hannover. I would really like him to do well, but he does seem to have a bit of an attitude problem. As you might know it takes two to tango and if coach LIENEN gives him a chance he should go for it and prove to everyone that he is a world class player. And if he can't be bothered he should leave. That's the way life is.
And I am sorry to disappoint you, but I don't think we will be relegated this year.
Apart from that you aren't really a coach, are you? You sound more like a huffy teenager.
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Betreff des Beitrags: Re: Why is the coach a moron? Verfasst: 26.10.2004 19:26 |
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P-REAL hat geschrieben: Keith hat geschrieben: Clint Mathis is a World Class player, an impact player who makes a difference as he did in the World Cup, I seriously doubt whether coach Leinen or whatever his name is a world class coach (Geeze I cant even remember his name).
As a coach myself I have come across coaxhes whose egos are bigger than their knowledge of the game or players. Well let me remind everyone that coaches dont score goals OR SELL TICKETS, star players DO. As a Yank my interest in following the Bundelsliga is greatly diminished without Clint playing. I got Satellite TV so I could watch Bundelsiga games and although Cherondolo and Casey get games I would like to see Mathis ON THE FIELD. I hope Hannover get relegated if that doesnt happen. It is easy to see why another US World Class player - Landon Donovan - didnt have any interest in playing in Germany either. The Krauts managed to screw his career up at Beyer Leverkusen before he blossomed on the World Cup stage. Actually, with your kind of attitude I couldn't care less if you are interested in the Bundesliga or not. And I don't think anyone else would, either. So what if your interest is greatly diminishing? I thought Clint Mathis was a totally cool player when he first joined Hannover. I would really like him to do well, but he does seem to have a bit of an attitude problem. As you might know it takes two to tango and if coach LIENEN gives him a chance he should go for it and prove to everyone that he is a world class player. And if he can't be bothered he should leave. That's the way life is. And I am sorry to disappoint you, but I don't think we will be relegated this year.  Apart from that you aren't really a coach, are you? You sound more like a huffy teenager.
Has it occurred to you that Mathis might be affected by the COACHES attitude?? Geeze. This coach doesnt sound like he is in the Arsene Wenger class! Now Arsene CAN manage players from foreign countries. Apparently Krauts cant? Perhaps this is why it is rumoured that Cherondolo is set to move to another club? Just join the dots pal - and dont forget to smell the coffee.
And no I am not a teenager but I am a coach, one who likes to see fair play from coaches, not grudge-monkeys.
Disgrunteld Yank.
At least disgruntled over Mathis treatment. Hell I wish he was still burning up the turf at the MetroStars.........
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Betreff des Beitrags: Re: Why is the coach a moron? Verfasst: 26.10.2004 23:21 |
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Keith hat geschrieben: Has it occurred to you that Mathis might be affected by the COACHES attitude?? Geeze. What happened to being in control of your own destiny? What happened to hard work and commitment? When a player shows none of that he doesn't deserve to be on the team. Period. Plus, check the table, the coach seems to reach the other players just fine. Keith hat geschrieben: This coach doesnt sound like he is in the Arsene Wenger class! Now Arsene CAN manage players from foreign countries. Apparently Krauts cant? Now that is both stupid and downright racist. If you are as knowing as you claim you are, you should know how many players from other countries do perfectly well in our team. But I guess that little fact doesn't fit in your "argumentation", right? And so what if Lienen is not in the same class as Wenger? What does that prove? Our club isn't on par with Arsenal, we know that. But why are the big clubs not interested in Mathis, if he is that damn good? Do you have an answer to that? Didn't think so. Keith hat geschrieben: Perhaps this is why it is rumoured that Cherondolo is set to move to another club? Just join the dots pal - and dont forget to smell the coffee.
Better check up on your facts. Steve has stated that his advisor is talking to Hannover about an extension of his contract. Like it or not, he seems quite happy here.
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Betreff des Beitrags: Verfasst: 27.10.2004 09:55 |
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I have to agree with der rote in regards to Clint working hard and again earning a chance to play. If what you say about Lienen is true, that he rewards hard work in practice then Clint can work his way back on the team.
If Clint does have an attitude problem, then he is sealing his fate on the bench and likely out of Hannover.
Is anything more be said in and around the team in regards to Clint's status?
Mark
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Betreff des Beitrags: Verfasst: 27.10.2004 13:40 |
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mal44 hat geschrieben: If what you say about Lienen is true, that he rewards hard work in practice then Clint can work his way back on the team. It's definately true. Krupnikovic, Christiansen and Stajner are some of the most important players on the team right now and all of them were thought to be out for good. But they worked hard, got in great shape and earned the respect of the coach and the fans. The door is always open if a player is willing to work hard. Which is as it should be, imo. mal44 hat geschrieben: Is anything more be said in and around the team in regards to Clint's status?
Not at the moment. Since we are on a roll and winning matches left and right, Clint is pretty much a non-issue in the press and with the fans right now. Can't speak for the team, of course, but my guess is, they are pretty satisfied with the way things are going. 
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Betreff des Beitrags: Re: Why is the coach a moron? Verfasst: 27.10.2004 14:51 |
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Keith hat geschrieben: Has it occurred to you that Mathis might be affected by the COACHES attitude?? Geeze. This coach doesnt sound like he is in the Arsene Wenger class! Now Arsene CAN manage players from foreign countries. Apparently Krauts cant? Perhaps this is why it is rumoured that Cherondolo is set to move to another club? Just join the dots pal - and dont forget to smell the coffee.
And no I am not a teenager but I am a coach, one who likes to see fair play from coaches, not grudge-monkeys.
Disgrunteld Yank. At least disgruntled over Mathis treatment. Hell I wish he was still burning up the turf at the MetroStars.........
Apparently Krauts cant? Says who???
I really don't understand what the fuzz is all about. The thing is that he was much better off than a lot of other players (e. g. Krupi and Stajni) as he did get several chances in the first team. In fact, I even think coach Lienen likes him and that is why Clint Mathis was given more chances than many other players.
I really thought that he was a great guy when he first came to Hannover. He scored some amazing goals and I loved the way he played. But right now I am disappointed that he doesn't seem to be as much of a fighter as the other guys who worked their way back into the team. And if he can't be bothered to to it for himself he should have maybe made the effort for the fans... After all he still seems to be quite popular.
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Betreff des Beitrags: Re: Why is the coach a moron? Verfasst: 28.10.2004 19:48 |
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Apparently Krauts cant? Says who???
Its an observation perhpas that Germans arent that great when it comes to coaching, perhaps its their nature? German coaches coaching successfully internationally appear to be few and far between. Berti is about to be booted by Scotland, not that I am aware of any player coach problems there. I DO beleive that there is an anti-American view in Germany and France so this might be a factor in Clints case. Certainly he is a totally different Character from Cherondolo - but then good coaches should be able to handle personalities of all types not just crap on those that show real backbone.
I keep hearing about this reference to wprking hard - there is an attitude amongst those without real appreciation for the game that ALL players have to run around like chickens with their heads cut-off - or by definition they arent pulling their weight. Once again I present Dennis Berkamp or Henry as examples of why this is not the case. Mathis has his style and not all coaches are going to like it, like Joe Cole at Chelsea as well.
It is unfortunate that MLS stopped Mathis going to Bayern Munich two years ago - he would have been a huge hit there. I invite anyone who doubts Mathis is a top player to look at the USA v Germany game tapes for the last two internationals between the sides. That is why Bayern Munich wanted Mathis. Apparently whats good for Bayern isnt good enough for Hannover? I dont think so folks.
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Betreff des Beitrags: Re: Why is the coach a moron? Verfasst: 28.10.2004 20:27 |
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Keith hat geschrieben: Its an observation perhpas that Germans arent that great when it comes to coaching, perhaps its their nature? Well Keith, perhaps sound argumentation isn't in your nature? Germans cannot be good coaches because Mathis isn't on our team? This is the stupidest thing I've heard in a while. Have you actually seen any of the matches Mathis played for us? Please tell me you have. And then please point out to me how well he performed in those matches. Apparently I didn't realize is. Must be because of my nationality. Keith hat geschrieben: German coaches coaching successfully internationally appear to be few and far between. Oh yeah, right. So what nation has the most internationally successful coaches right now? And what does that tell you about that nations' "character"? Interesting sidenote, how many American coaches have enjoyed international success ever? Keith hat geschrieben: I DO beleive that there is an anti-American view in Germany and France so this might be a factor in Clints case. Certainly he is a totally different Character from Cherondolo - but then good coaches should be able to handle personalities of all types not just crap on those that show real backbone. Oh great, now Mathis is off the team because Germans are racist. How much do you actually know about Germany and France that you haven't picked up on FOX News? How many Germans and French people did you talk to in your life, how many days, months or years have you spent living in these countries? Keith, please tell my you actually have some knowledge of what you are talking about. Because I'm seriously starting to doubt that now. These remarks make you sound like a complete idiot. Keith hat geschrieben: I keep hearing about this reference to wprking hard - there is an attitude amongst those without real appreciation for the game that ALL players have to run around like chickens with their heads cut-off - or by definition they arent pulling their weight. Once again I present Dennis Berkamp or Henry as examples of why this is not the case. Mathis has his style and not all coaches are going to like it, like Joe Cole at Chelsea as well. And once again, you cannot even spell the name of the guy you adore so much correctly. If you really are as good a coach as you claim to be, you will know that it is extremely important for players to actually earn their place on the team and now be given it. Otherwise your team will fall apart in time. Mathis has been showing us nothing but attitude lately. That is not going to cut it. A good coach should know that. Keith hat geschrieben: It is unfortunate that MLS stopped Mathis going to Bayern Munich two years ago - he would have been a huge hit there.
Sure. Like Vahid Hashemian is right now.
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Zuletzt geändert von der rote am 29.10.2004 13:04, insgesamt 1-mal geändert.
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Betreff des Beitrags: Verfasst: 29.10.2004 09:35 |
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Keith,
You are off base about this anti-Americanism in Germany. I am an American who has lived in Germany for close to 7 years and I have never experienced any anti-American sentiment here.
Sure most Germans are outspoken against our current foreign policy and President Bush, but that does not translate to dislike of Americans.
The point is that Clint has to work hard and earn his spot on the team like anybody else and the fact is he upstaged the trainer which put him in the doghouse and certainly did not help his situation.
I hope like hell that he gets back in the starting lineup because he brings an exciting style of play to the team.
Mark
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Betreff des Beitrags: Verfasst: 29.10.2004 15:24 |
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mal44 hat geschrieben: Keith,
You are off base about this anti-Americanism in Germany. I am an American who has lived in Germany for close to 7 years and I have never experienced any anti-American sentiment here.
Sure most Germans are outspoken against our current foreign policy and President Bush, but that does not translate to dislike of Americans.
The point is that Clint has to work hard and earn his spot on the team like anybody else and the fact is he upstaged the trainer which put him in the doghouse and certainly did not help his situation.
I hope like hell that he gets back in the starting lineup because he brings an exciting style of play to the team.
Mark
Mark, I am glad to hear that the anti-American displays in Europe are at the macro level. Unfortunately the European media from Day 1 of the Bush Presidency regurgitated the left wing anti Bush views of the American media, The New York Times and vitually all the major newspapers and TV networks. So its not surprising that this has translated into an anti-American echo.
I too hope that Mathis gets back into the team. He was well regarded by the last coach wasnt he? After all the prior coach offered him a contract. I dont understand why that coach was fired as he seemed to have the team going in the right direction The current coach has prospered from in spite of himself - not because of anything he has done IMHO. All I can say is that Mathis has played very well in all the games that I have seen - hardly any playing time these days.
Conor Casey at Mainz seems to be doing well in the Bundesliga (lets see how long it takes for "der Rote" to trash Casey! ) but is far less an accomplished player than Mathis at this point. I suspect that Mathis is in a Catch 22 situation, his training shows demotivation owing to not making the bench and he need to train in a highly motivated manner to make the bench. I hope Mathis just trains at 110% for personal fullfillment - regardless of the coach. If he does that he will be in prime shape for the transfer window and then suddenly the Hannover guys will need him again!
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Keith hat geschrieben: Mark, I am glad to hear that the anti-American displays in Europe are at the macro level. Unfortunately the European media from Day 1 of the Bush Presidency regurgitated the left wing anti Bush views of the American media, The New York Times and vitually all the major newspapers and TV networks. So its not surprising that this has translated into an anti-American echo. Oh, and criticism of the President equals and/or leads to Anti-Americanism? That's a pretty bold claim to say the least. Maybe we need to put perspective back into this discussion. According to you, Mathis' situation is pretty much everyone's fault but his. Well, as I said before, there were several players at the beginning of the season who were thought to be out for good. The club was already looking for other clubs to buy out their contracts. Shortly before the season they were ready to just give them away for nothing. But there were no takers. So what did these guys do? They got in shape and impressed during training. And the coach turned around and rewarded them for their work. They received their chances and capitalized on them. Take Krupnikovic for example. He was never known to be running a lot. But he is a very creative player with an eye for the game. Yet he was often lazy and laid back and you always got the idea that this guy should be able be that much better. And now he is. Playing both physically and creatively makes him much more valuable for the team. In contrast, Mathis was on the team during the early season. He had his chances to show what he is made of. But he didn't. Neither the media nor the fans were impressed with his playing. And his gestures toward the coach certainly didn't help matters. So when we start to ask ourselves why Mathis isn't on the team, maybe it's because he just wasn't playing very well. Nothing more, nothing less. Neither the media, anti-American sentiments nor an incompetent coach have anything to do with it. Keith hat geschrieben: I too hope that Mathis gets back into the team. He was well regarded by the last coach wasnt he? Yes, he was. And he had a great start. But after about five or six games his playing became less effective. Of course, the whole team did pretty badly at that time, so nobody thought much of it. Keith hat geschrieben: I dont understand why that coach was fired as he seemed to have the team going in the right direction Well, if you look at the numbers, you will see that we were playing were badly at that time. All the media had the club pencilled in as a sure bet to be relegated. The defense was on of the worst in the league and the offense lost much of their glory, too. So it was hardly surprising that Ralf Rangnick had to go. Keith hat geschrieben: The current coach has prospered from in spite of himself - not because of anything he has done IMHO. Sure, he's a bumbling idiot who has no idea how the game is played. And yet he managed to form a team which is highly motivated, in great physical shape and has won 5 out of the last 6 matches. That just has to be luck, right? Keith hat geschrieben: All I can say is that Mathis has played very well in all the games that I have seen - hardly any playing time these days. And which games were that? Because I can't quite remember him playing well after last March or so. Keith hat geschrieben: Conor Casey at Mainz seems to be doing well in the Bundesliga (lets see how long it takes for "der Rote" to trash Casey! ) but is far less an accomplished player than Mathis at this point.
And why would I? Because he's an American? Keep deceiving yourself.
I actually like Casey. He used to play for us, but you knew that, right? He's a good guy, but never quite got his chance to shine when he was with Hannover. Too many other good strikers on the team. But he's doing ok now with Mainz and I'm happy for him.
Btw, just so that you have some more fuel for your anti-Americanism theories, I didn't used to think Cherundolo had it in him to be a good player in the Bundesliga. As a matter of fact, he played pretty badly in 2002/03 and the first half of last season. But he did it. He bounced back and since Ewald Lienen is our coach, Steve is playing 100% better.
Which makes me very happy, because it is good for the team. And it would also make me happy to see Mathis bounce back in the same way. Because it would make the team even stronger. 
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